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Siasatan SPRM Terhadap 1Azam Dapat Selamat Dana Daripada Terus Diseleweng

Sinar Harian, Selangor


PUTRAJAYA – Siasatan Suruhanjaya Pencegahan Rasuah Malaysia (SPRM) berhubung program 1Azam diharapkan dapat menyekat lebih banyak penyelewengan wang rakyat. Sepanjang program itu, kerajaan telah memperuntukkan sebanyak RM1.2 billion dan 132,511 individu layak menerimanya di seluruh negara sejak projek perintis dijalankan akhir Januari 2010 lalu.

Ketua Pesuruhjaya SPRM, Tan Sri Abu Kassim Mohamed berkata, siasatan menjurus kepada individu yang cuba melakukan salah laku berkaitan program itu.

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“Program yang dilakukan adalah baik untuk rakyat, tetapi ada individu yang cuba mengambil kesempatan terhadap peruntukan yang disediakan ini,” katanya.


Beliau berkata demikian ketika diminta mengulas penahanan bekas setiausaha politik kepada Datuk Seri Shahrizat Abdul Jalil, Datuk Suhaimi Ibrahim dan beberapa individu bagi tujuan membantu siasatan.


Ketika ditanya berhubung status siasatan, Abu Kassim enggan mengulas lanjut kerana siasatan sedang berjalan.


Jelasnya,pelaksanaan beberapa program meningkatkan taraf hidup rakyat dan golongan sasaran dilakukan kerajaan sangat baik dan bermanfaat.


Namun di sesetengah organisasi terdapat individu mengambil peluang demi kepentingan diri.


“Dalam organisasi mereka menjadi titik hitam ini perlu dikeluarkan supaya matlamat dan objektif berjaya,” katanya.


Dalam perkembangan lain bagi membendung kegiatan salah laku dalam agensi kerajaan mahupun swasta berlaku, Abu Kassim berkata, SPRM ada menawarkan Khidmat nasihat dan rundingan.


“SPRM mengalu-alukan mana-mana kementerian, kerajaan negeri, syarikat berkaitan kerajaan (GLC) mahupun swasta yang mahu khidmat profesional mereka berhubung integriti dan perjalanan prosedur bagi mengurangkan gejala rasuah.


Selain menasihatkan, pegawai SPRM juga ditempatkan di organisasi itu,” katanya. Tambahnya, kejayaan pelaksanaan dibuktikan dimana salah satu negeri menggunakan khidmat SPRM, berjaya meningkatkan hasil buminya melalui kutipan cukai yang sebelum ini merosot.



Sinar Harian, Selangor



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Brunei – Malaysia Officials Meet On Anti-Graft Cooperation


Tuesday, September 10, 2013

BRUNEI’s Anti-Corruption Bureau (ACB) hosted yesterday, the Ninth Annual Bilateral Cooperation Meeting with their Malaysian counterparts to further collaborative work between both bodies.

The meeting discussed various topics, centering on the sharing of investigation methodology, with a particular focus on trans-border crimes related to corruption.

According to an ACB statement, officials from the ACB and the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) will meet for two days to share information leading to positive transformation in the efforts of both agencies to strengthen their abilities in handling investigations on corruption, especially those involved in cross-border criminal activity.

In his welcoming speech, Hj Muhammad Juanda Hj A Rashid, Director of ACB noted the joint milestones achieved since the last meeting in August 2012, including the successful ACB-MACC Convention and the cooperation network established through their working groups, which led to capacity building trainings for ACB officers in the fields of intelligence, investigation and money laundering investigation.

He also congratulated the Malaysian delegation for their work during the October IAACA Conference, which “was a huge and meaningful success in reflecting the roles and international-level confidence shown by MACC and Malaysia to the world to cultivate and highlight its attempts against corruption”.

In turn, MACC’s Chief Commissioner Tan Sri Hj Abu Kassim Mohamed praised the spirit of collaboration between both agencies.

It was also noted that “the use of joint investigation and an operation working group with BMR are good examples of law enforcement cooperation among countries at the policy and operational level”.

“This is a model that should be highlighted. Our interaction far exceeds expectations of international protocol… The learning curve other than our formal discussion, is the informal discussions. I learn a lot from you,” said the chief commissioner.

MACC reported the success of ACB/MACC cooperation through Article 49 of the United Nations Convention Against Corruption (UNCAC), as recognised through an Executive Summary published by the UN.

The meeting will further table corruption trends in both countries, while including talks on anti-corruption and integrity education conducted by the MACC.

This is considered to be the approach in its ongoing transformation programme aiming to realise a collective and dynamic anti-corruption initiative in Malaysia.

Several presentations are expected at the meet on aspects of operations, prevention and integrity education.

The meeting will also explore future training opportunities as well as officer exchanges within law enforcement, prevention and education in specific areas to build the capacities of the agencies’ staff members.

The annual event which started in 2002 aims to be a platform for information and experience exchange as well as brainstorming between the anti-graft agencies of both countries, in which joint operations are also discussed.

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The Brunei Times

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Going after corrupt firms the right decision


THE Merdeka anniversary celebrations are always a time to reminisce about the past and inevitably it also entails looking towards the future. 

As the country acknowledges its past, it has to recognise that all may not be as one intended. 

The rapid economic progress has bred the cancer of corruption.

The Prime Minister’s comment “I want to make corruption a part of Malaysia’s past, not its future” in “Corrupt firms in hot water” (The Star, Aug 31) appears at first glance to be wishful thinking, yet it is a serious statement of intent.

Is this an achievable vision? Are the correct signals being sent out to society at large which continues to harp on corruption?

For any vision to become reality it has to be supported by the necessary infrastructure to achieve results. Relevant laws have to be introduced or existing ones strengthened to allow for successful prosecutions.

The proposed corporate liability provision which penalises companies involved in corrupt practices sends out the right message.

It signals the death knell for corporations which indulge in these unhealthy activities.

The “big fish” are essentially fed by such corporations to whom ethics and good governance play second fiddle to the ultimate objective of increasing shareholder value.

In this manner, the demand and supply side which continue to propagate corruption will be dealt with simultaneously.

Those who speak the loudest on perceived corruption levels which are then translated into results of corruption perception indexes now have to begin to appreciate that the landscape has changed.

Both individuals as well as corporations could be hauled up to court.

The enforcement authorities are taking the offensive by improving their capabilities in forensic accounting to investigate those whose assets are not commensurate with their income levels.

These are the structural changes which will no doubt bear fruit.

The greater challenge is to change prevailing mindsets of company directors and business owners to whom corruption has become standard operating procedure.

Enactment of laws can be done at the stroke of a pen – changing cultural norms takes much more work but is not an insurmountable task.

Has the correct signal been sent to the corporate community?

The MACC has trained and emplaced certified integrity officers namely in government agencies and government-linked companies.

That again is an infrastructure enhancement initiative albeit an important one in the fight against corruption.

Mindset change has to permeate to the operating level – the level that is the most prone to either receiving or accepting bribes.

It is a function of greed and not adequate remuneration. The greatest danger is if it is pervasive throughout the operating entity.

The regulators of companies operating in Malaysia should take the cue from the government’s stance on corruption to ensure that all directors have the correct mindset.

Mandatory training programmes for directors of public listed companies should include components that embrace ethics, integrity and governance.

There is a need for frameworks to buttress such initiatives. It is acknowledged that this is a long process but changing mindsets is a key ingredient if corruption is to be relegated to the annals of history.

Corporations which continue to operate unethically will be weeded out and have to face the law with regard to corruption.

Those who have participated in corporate integrity pledge exercises and regarded these as merely public relations exercises devoid of any commitment to anti-corruption principles should now be wary of the consequences under the corporate liability provisions.

It is the responsibility of business owners and directors to ensure that correct ethical values cascade to all levels of the company.

Integrity has to be a prerequisite disposition. Stakeholders at all levels of society have to take responsibility and not take the easy way out by blaming the operating environment or the enforcement authorities.

This is the way forward for a better Malaysia which is corruption free. It has to be a collective vision.


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4 September 2013

Bertolak daripada pandangan saya minggu lalu, tulisan kali juga memfokus keperluan kita menjauhi rasuah. Rasuah perlu diperangi. Perang ini memerlukan pendekatan dan strategi holistik.


Sehari sebelum kita menyambut Hari Kemerdekaan Ke-56, Perdana Menteri Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak dalam ucapannya ada menyebut empat perkara penting, yang berkait satu sama lain, yang harus kita renung bersama. Salah satu perkara itu membawa maksud dan hasrat yang sama, yang pernah dilontarkan oleh Tunku Abdul Rahman.

Kerajaan sekali lagi mengulangi komitmen untuk memerangi rasuah. Pada majlis penutupan Program Etika Melatih Jurulatih Majlis Kerjasama Ekonomi Asia Pasifik di ibu negara Jumaat lalu, Najib antara lain berkata, “saya mahu menjadikan rasuah sebagai sejarah di Malaysia, dan tidak berlaku lagi pada masa depan.”

“Dan ini bermakna mengubah budaya organisasi dan perniagaan,” tambah beliau.007 in suit 2Small

Dalam ucapannya, Najib juga berkongsi pengiktirafan Pejabat Pertubuhan Bangsa- Bangsa Bersatu Mengenai Dadah dan Jenayah (UNODC) terhadap penegasan SPRM dalam membanteras rasuah. Pengiktirafan itu jelas menunjukkan pihak masyarakat antarabangsa mengiktiraf ketelusan dan kebebasan SPRM.

Penegasan Najib itu juga selari dengan usaha-usaha kerajaan selama ini termasuk mewujudkan tadbir urus serta portfolio integriti dalam Kabinet yang bertindak menyelia hal-hal berkaitan integriti dan ketelusan selain memerangi rasuah dalam bidang korporat. Kerajaan juga telah mewujudkan Jawatankuasa Keutuhan Pengurusan bagi memantapkan pengurusan di sektor kerajaan dan baru-baru ini memutuskan untuk mewajibkan penubuhan Unit Integriti di setiap agensi kerajaan, yang bertanggungjawab melaksanakan enam fungsi teras iaitu tadbir urus, pengukuhan integriti, pengesanan dan pengesahan, pengurusan aduan, pematuhan dan tatatertib.

“Dengan taraf agensi antirasuah (SPRM) yang diangkat kepada status sebuah suruhanjaya bebas, dengan mekanisme kawal selia sendiri, adalah satu contoh terbaik. Walaupun kita belajar daripada amalan terbaik di peringkat antarabangsa, SPRM telah ………………

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Over 20 quizzed, 400 files scrutinised in Taib’s alleged corruption: MACC

by : Sin Chew Daily 1 July 2013

PUTRAJAYA, June 29 (Bernama) — More than 20 individuals have been questioned and 400 files scrutinised in the corruption case allegedly involving Sarawak Chief Minister Tan Sri Abdul Taib Mahmud to date, said the Malaysian Anti- Corruption Commission (MACC).

MACC Investigation Division Secretariat assistant commissioner Lim Bee Kean said the individuals were believed to be involved and cited in a Youtube video linked to the alleged case.


“Actually, investigations had been ongoing since June 2011, even before the video exposure,” she told a media conference at the MACC headquarters here today.

The video entitled,’Inside Malaysia’s Shadow State’ was allegedly a recording of a conversation between a personal investigator for a London-based non-governmental organisation, Global Witness and two of Taib’s cousins.

Lim said to expedite the investigation, a special team comprising 10 officers from the MACC, Attorney-General’s Chambers (AGC) and other agencies had been set up, and that the investigation report would be submitted to the AGC for further action.

She said once the investigation had been completed and a decision made by the public prosecutor, MACC’s Operations Assessment Panel (OAP) would be acknowledged on the status of the case.

“The OAP, an independent panel made up of individuals representing various professional backgrounds is tasked with ensuring transparency and impartiality in investigations carried out by the MACC, she said.

Lim said the MACC was also monitored by the Special Committee on Corruption, which comprised government and opposition state assemblymen and members of parliament.

She said the MACC conducted all the cases without fear or favour and in this regard, had received full cooperation from the individuals concerned including Taib.

“As in other cases prior to this one, the MACC will not divulge the investigation details, in accordance with Section 29(4) of the MACC Act 2009.

“As this case involves numerous documents and parties, the investigation will probably take time for the collection of evidence, statements and in light of new developments,” she said.

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Govt on track in fighting corruption

KPI ACHIEVED: NKRA director saysMalaysia has earned praise for its efforts

The key performance indicator (KPI) under the National Key Results Area (NKRA) in fighting corruption has been fully achieved. NKRA against corruption director Datuk Hisham Nordin said the targets had been evaluated by an international
panel which recognised the determination of the government to stamp out corruption.

“The international panel praised our country for its seriousness in fighting corruption. This is not cosmetic or rhetoric, but something real in the GTP (Government Transformation Programme) framework,” he said after participating
in the Helo Malaysia talk show over BernamaTV on Tuesday.


Hisham said one proof of the government’s sincerity in fighting corruption was the setting up of an anticorruption KPI through the NKRA and improving the country’s ranking in the Corruption Perceptions Index.
He said fighting corruption was an ongoing process because various aspects had to be evaluated. “It is a continuous work in progress. It has no end. We cannot say one day that we can stop fighting corruption. There is no ending in the fight.”

He said it was a major challenge to educate the people on the government’s efforts to fight corruption. Hisham also said a training module on integrity and the assimilation of noble values was being drawn up with the Malaysian AntiCorruption
Commission to instil values and ethics in elected representatives.
“The training may be conducted for the new members of parliament and state assemblymen after the 13th General Election.” He also said Barisan Nasional’s “Promise of Hope” manifesto was not a bribe for votes because it was a promise of common benefits and not only given to certain individuals. Bernama

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Fight corruption, DIY style

People have the power to question mischievous officials

by  : M. KRISHNAMOORTHY from Petaling Jaya

We always seem to ask what the MalaysianAntiCorruptionCommission (MACC) or the Government is doing tofight corruption while not realising that therewe can take steps on our own. Yes, it is time the man on the street realises that he can take the bull by the horns and demand for justice and efficiency.

However, before embarking on such a mission, it is important to be clear on your rights and know the facts. Let me give you an example of how I used this doityourself approach to help a friendrenew his business licence.

Recently, an engineer friend of mine told me that he had applied for a business licence renewal through a runner as he did not have the time to go through the process personally. However, after eight weeks, there was still no news, and’his wife, who ran the business, was afraid that they would be operating without the licence.

According to my friend, the runner had told him that the delay was because no “undertable” payment had been made to expedite the renewal process. However, the engineer felt this was unnecessary as it was just a simple renewal. “I am afraid that if I make a fuss, I might be penalised by the council.

“According to my runner, the officials in question would not settle for anything less than RM500,” my friend told me when he appealed for my help, knowing that I had assisted other friends in similar situations.

As I am a firm believer in two principles —
“Love all, serve all” and “Service to man is service to God” 1 could not refuse and followed the engineer to the licensing office. At the counter, I asked why the renewal had taken more than two months when it would normally take less than two weeks.

I also raised my voice and asked the receptionist, “One runner told me you want some extra money before approving the application. Is this true?” The receptionist denied that any such request had been made, and I further queried why it
had taken so long, especially since Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak had called on public servants to respond to complaints within three days. The receptionist said she would check on the matter and returned 10 minutes later, saying that she could not locate the original application.

Since 1 had feared this would happen, 1 was prepared and told her that we had all the paperwork with us. She filed our application and said the authorities would make an appointment to inspect the premises within a week to ensure compliance
with the conditions of the licence.

My friend and I were happy as we thought that the problem had been solved. However, the following day, the engineer told me that his runner had said certain officials were asking for kickbacks before issuing any approval. I immediately told him that we would be visiting the council again.

This time, I did not mince my words as I said to the clerk, “Do you need any extra money for the approval? “If you do, please tell me who wants it and I will report the name to your superiors!” The clerk insisted that no extra “payment” was required and introduced us to another officer.

“We will not have to come to your premises for an inspection and your application has been approved. If you wait for a short while, we will give you the new licence,” the new officer told us. Within 15 minutes, my friend’s licence was renewed, at no extra cost While it may seem like a small victory, it contains lessons for everyone on how to tackle corruption.

We should take the initiative to question the authorities if there is any delay. We must know the deadlines set out in the authority’s client charter and use this as an indication of untoward delays.

At the end of the day, all government departments carry out their own internal audits and if we, as consumers, highlight our difficulties, any wrongdoing will come to light, providing a check in the system. We must be brave and willing to question the authorities.

We must be proactive and take the initiative to ensure that we do not fall for underhanded dealings. It is because of fear that we become victims of corruption.

So, pick up you courage, know your rights and the facts and question the authorities in your own personal fight against corruption.

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Penduduk buat memorandum rasmi kepada SPRM, persoal tindakan ADUN Teratai

PUTRAJAYA , 8 Mac 2013 – Persatuan Penduduk Pandan Perdana hari ini membuat memorandum rasmi berhubung  kutipan derma yang dibuat oleh Ahli Dewan Undangan Negeri (ADUN) Teratai, Janice Lee bagi pembinaan sebuah  Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan Cina yang telah dijanjikan kepada mereka.

Bekas  ahli DAP, Tony Tan ketika bercakap mewakili penduduk berkata,  mereka meminta supaya SPRM menyiasat tentang kutipan derma yang dibuat oleh ADUN berkenaan sejak tahun 2008.

Katanya dengan kutipan tersebut penduduk telah dijanjikan pembinaan sebuah Sekolah Rendah Jenis Kebangsaan Cina di kawasan tersebut.

“Kami mahu SPRM menyiasat kes ini kerana ia membabitkan seorang Yang Berhormat dimana beliau telah menggunakan cara tidak betul untuk mengutip derma dengan menabur janji.

“Kami punya bukti dan hari ini wakil penduduk akan membuat memorandum rasmi mengenai perkara tersebut,” katanya.

Naib Pengerusi Persatuan Penduduk, Terence Ee  pada masa sama turut mendakwa bahawa Adun Teratai tersebut telah membuat kutipan derma daripada penduduk setempat  termasuk ketika sessi ceramah dan pasar malam bagi tujuan pembinaan sekolah yang telah dijanjikan itu.

Menurutnya, pihak penduduk hanya mahu ADUN berkenaan menjelaskan jumlah kutipan derma yang telah diterimanya sehingga kini memandangkan pembinaan sekolah tersebut dianggap tidak mempunyai unsur politik.

Tambahnya, apa yang menjadi tanda tanya penduduk ialah ketiadaan permohonan daripada ADUN tersebut untuk pembinaan sekolah  yang dicadangkan di sebuah tanah seluas lima ekar milik kerajaan negeri Selangor.

“Tanah tersebut perlu ditukar milik terlebih dahulu sebelum dibina  sekolah. Sekiranya tiada penukaran hak milik tanah bagi tujuan pembinaan institusi maka ianya tidak diserahkan kepada Kementerian Pendidikan, dan tiada sekolah yang boleh dibina diatasnya.

“Bagaimanapun,  permohonan tidak pernah dibuat walaupun kami pernah dimaklumkan sebanyak 22,000  tandatangan kononnya telah diperoleh daripada orang ramai bagi menyokong pembinaan sekolah tersebut,” dakwanya ketika memberi kenyataan di hadapan ibu pejabat SPRM Putrajaya hari ini.

Terence turut menggesa ADUN Teratai itu tampil menunjukkan bukti  iaitu minit mesyuarat berkenaan permohonan kepada kerajaan negeri yang dibuat sekiranya beliau pernah mengemukakan permohonan tersebut dalam Sidang DUN.

Ahli persatuan penduduk yang hadir turut mengibarkan kain rentang yang tertera “YB Janice Lee, dimana pergi wang kutipan untuk Sekolah Rendah Cina”.


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By : Nuridzuana Ismail & Yip Ai Tsin

KUALA LUMPUR – Election promises to bring development to constituents in the form of building schools, parks, highways and creating employment opportunities do not tantamount to vote buying, said Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) Deputy Senior Commissioner Han Chee Rull.

“Campaign promises and party manifestos are intended to benefit the public no matter who they vote for,” he explained during the Sixth Session of the ‘International Conference on Malaysia 13th General Election’ entitled ‘Combating money politics and electoral corruption in light of Malaysia 13th General Election’, organised by the YB Dato’ Seri Anwar Ibrahim’s office on 5 March 2013.


“The courts have decided (in the past) that promises of development funds do not constitute bribery,” he said, adding that “MACC does not make the law but enforces the law. It is up to the courts to interpret the law”.

Earlier, former International Islamic University Professor of Law Dr. Abdul Aziz Bari pointed out that election manifestos are not contracts of law. He added that it is every governments’ right to promote their election manifestos and for the people to decide.

“It is for the people to decide if the manifesto is sensible or not, not the courts of law. If every problem is taken to the courts, then what about the other more important cases?” he asked before adding that political issues should be settled within the political scene.

“It is good that the courts do not act whenever such issues arise. Let the people and politicians deal with them,” he said before adding that rules and regulations are not good and will only serve to complicate matters.

Opportunities Of Abuse Of Power By Caretaker Government

Regarding questions concerning opportunities of power abuse by the caretaker government and prosecution of the corruption offenders, Dr. Abdul Aziz Bari said that the sole power lies with the Attorney-General (AG) to bring the crooks to court.

“The AG is a very powerful man. Even the police have to submit their Investigation Papers (IPs) to the AG. The AG is the last person to decide and institute a decision,” he said.

Similarly, Han pointed out that MACC can only investigate corrupt offences in the Election Offences Act 1954 independently and without fear or favour but the decision to prosecute lies with the Public Prosecutor under the Attorney-General’s Chambers.

MACC Established Following Changes In Political Landscape

Reacting to the political scenario in 2008, the (then) Anti-Corruption Agency (ACA) proposed an independent Commission with check-and-balance mechanisms.

“In respect to investigations, MACC is accountable to the Operations Review Panel as check-and-balance on ongoing cases,” he said, adding that this was so that MACC could fulfill the public expectations in executing its designated legal obligations.

Preparation for General Election

In preparing for the 13th General Election, Han said that MACC is working very closely with the Attorney-General’s Chambers (AGC), Royal Malaysian Police Force (PDRM) and Election Commission (SPR). He stated that a task force has been set up to monitor and enforce laws during the upcoming General Election.

“This joint effort by various agencies had its meeting two weeks ago and MACC is assisting SPR in monitoring corruption offences. Teams of investigators will be dispatched on 24 hours standby,” he said.

He mentioned that there will be deployment of MACC officers on the ground during campaign trails to gather information and intelligence on corruption. The Commission will also provide Integrity Screenings to all, he added.

University Malaysia Sarawak Faculty of Social Sciences Associate Professor Dr. Andrew Aeria urged everyone to assist and help the MACC by documenting and providing all information of corrupt acts to the Commission during the General Election.

“Put those information in your Facebook, update your twitter and blogs,” he encouraged the audience. [ENDS]

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Ties Between Interpol, MACC Very Strong, Says Interpol Chief

By Azman Ujang

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 24 (Bernama) — Interpol, the world’s largest international police organisation which supports law enforcement agencies in 190 member countries, is working very closely with the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) on the transfer and sharing of knowledge to combat corruption.

Interpol secretary-general Ronald K. Noble said: “For us, the cooperation between Interpol and MACC is very strong. We have the closest of cooperation in terms of investigative techniques that are used to expose corruption and on investigations where there are international elements involved.”

He was speaking to Bernama here on Thursday, at the end of a two-day conference organised by Interpol, Fifa, the world’s football governing body, Asian Football Confederation and MACC, to deal with match-fixing which afflicts world football.

The conference was held, following revelations two weeks ago that almost 700 matches worldwide, including Champions League ties and World Cup qualifiers, were targeted by gambling gangs.

Noble said the Interpol-MACC cooperation was further strengthened with the secondment of an MACC officer to the Interpol Secretariat in Lyon, France.

MACC Assistant Senior Commissioner Mohd Hafaz Nazar reported for duty as a Criminal Investigation Officer in May last year, on a two-year stint at the secretariat.

In addition, MACC Chief Commissioner Datuk Seri Abu Kassim Mohamed has been a member of the Interpol Group of Experts on Corruption for the past 12 years.

Among Abu Kassim’s notable contributions was the Manual of Best Practices for anti-corruption and asset recovery procedures.

Noble said it was really an ideal relationship and he always thought that “we have to try to get better, but right now, in terms of it being strong, it is very strong.”

On the next agenda in their cooperation, the Interpol chief said, from his perspective, he would like to develop course work, together with the MACC, that would allow e-learning to happen in Malaysia in combating corruption.

“This could be expanded regionally around the world. I think that’s the next step for Interpol and MACC, ” he said.


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